Multiple sets of Dragon & Tiger per day

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George Sawyer
Last: 1 hour 18 min ago
Joined: 17 Nov 2010

When practicing multiple sets of Dragon & Tiger in a single day, can one simply do them one after another after another - do two, three, four, five, six, seven sets in a row? Any limit? Obviously using the 70% rule.

And should one begin with stirring qi each time?

I've worked my way up to 4 sets per day, and am slowly, 70% ish, heading for 5 to 6 sets per day. It is making a very impressive difference in my 'get up and go' and ability to deal with stress. Having done a great deal of Energy Gates, I'm both very surprised and very impressed at the results from Dragon & Tiger.

Thanks

Taokua B
Last: 1 day 3 min ago
Joined: 6 Oct 2010
Hello there, best wishes.. I

Hello there, best wishes.. I find that Dr&T has an interesting different-dyn than the other sets myself also.

In terms of how to do the Dr&T set, perhaps/hopefully a cert instructor might see this, but my two cents as a practitioner of.. as you say the key is 70%.. I don't know if each movement you are doing the minimum 4 reps, or the base 10 reps.. or the full 20 rep-set. (I'd guess the last? thus 7 diff moves x 20 rep= 140x 4sets= almost 500 movements?).. just to calculate out, [to be sure i follow]

[ I do the movements more slowly than I did, so even two sets takes a while- not taichi slow, but like Egates CLhands, or H&E or G.Playing speed, vs video instruction which can go quite quickly- just my preference..]
as I find these plateau-ratchets, as I worked on the neigung components (in other sets, or via sitting-sung, and new bodily-realization), I noticed more happening in Dragon & Tiger, so less became more... just a couple of moves (R, L, then R, L) builds up compared to how I'd seen it done (and started off doing myself) as just quick motions in the air.. anyway- just a thought on how that unraveling, "feeling" the extension-out and absorption-in, the sphere.. (all hinted at, in the Vol2 bk, as well as other systems- Like Opening Egates, layered into)..

Of course there is a distinct if you meant doing each of the movement in sequence for one set.. and then stopping a moment to settle (let your system integrate), and then either took a break and then later (half hour, or longer) than did another set.. vs continued right away with the next rep and the next... (?) not sure from how you wrote- which you've been doing (tried both?)

(In Dr&T I recall Bruce mentioning the same 20 reps whole from 'Marriage of H&E' but it was just in 'G. Playing' that I recall the point above.. after a 20section, the pause, integration (even if it is only a moment or so) and then resume.. without jolting as stop, nor jolt as start up.. (golden thread and jing-shen continuum)

So whether the sets are done back to back in a chain, or done like "circuit training" (GreaseTheGroove "volume" style, pyramid some in through-out the day) [just two different approaches]

That integration-whole might be a point... (in terms of qi stir, have you tried it both ways? with it, or without it? -my understand is that is to connect your "Listening" Ting-jing extension, as well as link up your system (like via the CTS soft-tissue, but thru the auric-E).. Just as a Warmup is good, so too a cooldown (but if one is "online" engaged-warmed up from a set or two or three- worth having that? not sure.. what do you think? (or have you noticed a difference? if try it might add?)

Either way- hope two sense helped.. I (and likely other readers) will be interested to read what you find, now and as you continue your immersion-practice (a long slow heat isn't the same as a hotter more contained heat- so may find different aspects)

Robert Hughes
Last: 11 hours 40 min ago
Joined: 6 Oct 2010
Glad to hear about boosting

Glad to hear about boosting results with more sets per day.

I’ve always believed that quality of movements is more productive than shear quantity.
Perhaps focusing on a different neigong in each set would be another approach—16 neigong would take 16 sets.
(16 day cycles for me—a one set per morning guy).
I also believe that a little every day is better than a lot once or twice a week. I suppose if you find yourself skipping a day you might reevaluate the number of sets per day.

I find that “stirring” qi around and beyond the dai mai during Tiger Crouching between each crouch greatly increases the flow of energy through the legs and seems to deepen energy flow towards the bone marrow (I’m not clearly into the bone marrow yet).

best regards

Bob

Taokua B
Last: 1 day 3 min ago
Joined: 6 Oct 2010
Great info put here.. I

Great info put here.. I interpreted "Stirring qi" as the before the very first movement, the arms hanging at the side and circling facing the ground, vs daimai circling...

-not sure, what might you think about that (if you start working a set with that? -some videos don't show, but in the bk, espec Vol2..)

Just in case you have thoughts about that as well. (to add a third- a pts during a set, but especially after the last movement, the turning the steering-wheel- holding the ball, like a tennis-ball between the palms, can help between the hands, the entire sphere (~ Bagua), as well as into the lower dantien)

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if sandwich-bridge each "Set" with that hold-turn the ball, then press into the lowerdantien (to gather and settle), pause a moment (and perhaps root-sink), then stir- which is reaching-extending the arms down to contact-connect with the ground (and below the ground)..... -this last one, connects up a line before the first move starts to work that line (vs trying to estab that line during the movement).

Robert Hughes
Last: 11 hours 40 min ago
Joined: 6 Oct 2010
Glad to hear about boosting

Glad to hear about boosting results with more sets per day.

I’ve always believed that quality of movements is more productive than shear quantity.
Perhaps focusing on a different neigong in each set would be another approach—16 neigong would take 16 sets.
(16 day cycles for me—a one set per morning guy).
I also believe that a little every day is better than a lot once or twice a week. I suppose if you find yourself skipping a day you might reevaluate the number of sets per day.

I find that “stirring” qi around and beyond the dai mai during Tiger Crouching between each crouch greatly increases the flow of energy through the legs and seems to deepen energy flow towards the bone marrow (I’m not clearly into the bone marrow yet).

best regards

Bob

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